Why You Should Do Your Own Boat Work | Sailing Soulianis – Ep. 37

Why You Should Do Your Own Boat Work | Sailing Soulianis – Ep. 37


– [Lauren] Last time on Sailing Soulianis. – We have been in Mobile
for almost two months now. Being held up by the fabrication of our arch and bimini. – It’s just a work of art. – [Kirk] Okay. I’m excited to see the work of art. Yeah. – [Lauren] As he left, the fabricator told us he’d have the arch finished by the end of the week, three to four days later. In the meantime we had been making good progress on
our big electrical project to upgrade our battery bank. – It goes to the ground wire. – [Lauren] But discovered that our new batteries didn’t fit
in our old battery box. – They’re the same group size, they’re supposed to fit. – [Lauren] Oh my god. – You mother. – Focker. (groaning) (mellow jazz music) – [Lauren] Kirk. – [Kirk] Yeah. – [Lauren] Our boat is naked. – [Kirk] Yeah it is. – [Lauren] A week later, the welder showed up with
two pieces of bent aluminum. A far cry from the finished
Arch he had promised. – [Kirk] Building an arch with davits in an integrated bimini to support our new solar panels was a project that we
wanted to splurge on. We didn’t need to build this in Mobile, but we figured if we’re
going to be here for a while it would be great to get it done while working on other parts
of the electrical project. Does that look high enough Lauren? If it was– – Yeah, I like that. That looks really good. We did our homework, and asked for recommendations, we checked references, and looked at boats
that they had worked on. We provided drawings, and sent photos of what we wanted, and told them that we’d be around for four to five weeks. But if that timeline wasn’t easily doable, we didn’t want to move forward. (power tool drilling) – [Lauren] They seemed incredibly helpful. Walking us through their process, bringing over materials to show us what the finish would look like, and they were extremely cordial. – Cool. – [Lauren] They were adamant
that this was a two week job, three weeks tops. And since they didn’t have
a lot of work at the moment, they were confident that
they could get it done. (mellow jazz music) Yeah. (mellow jazz music) After the arch measurements had
been taken earlier that day, and the spots marked on the deck, where the mounting holes
would go for the base plates, Kirk drilled out oversize holes so we could fill them with epoxy in preparation for redrilling
during the final mounting. (power tool drilling) (mellow jazz music) – [Kirk] Ok what’s happening. – We are right in the middle
of our battery upgrade project. The boat came with two batteries, neither of them were
house nor start specific. We don’t actually know how old they are, but they were never very good, so. – [Kirk] 2005. – They’re from 2005. So that’s pretty old. Are you sure about that? That’s really old. – [Kirk] Maybe it’s 2015. I think it was 2015. – Yeah. Yeah, either way. – [Kirk] They were bad batteries. – They were bad batteries. So we upgraded. We’ve got four new batteries, two of those will go here, where the old ones were, and two of them are going to go back here in our quarter berth storage area. So we’re gonna lose a bit of storage but we going to gain a
lot of battery juice. – [Kirk] Electrons. – Yes. So our one lead acid battery, our auxiliary slash start battery is gonna go probably in this box. The other three batteries that we got are Firefly Oasis batteries. Which are carbon foam
they’re very similar to ADM. – We chose these batteries because they have most of the advantages of a Lithium battery, but are half the cost, there’s no complex
battery management system, and they won’t catch fire. They can be drawn down to
and 80% depth of discharge, they’re rated for a very
high number of charge cycles, they can be charged quickly, and they can be stored at a
partial state of discharge for long periods of time without damage. Because we work remotely from the boat, having a robust, easy
to manage battery bank was a big priority for us. – Kirk has built a brand new battery box, for our additional two batteries, or is in the process of. – [Kirk] So show me what
we got going on here? – Do you want me to take it apart? – [Kirk] Mm-hmm – Okay. Now it goes back together, right? (chuckling) – [Kirk] You don’t know how to do this? (laughing) – So we got two shelves
for each of the batteries, and we’ve been using these to measure the size of the batteries, the reason that they’re
on different levels is because we wanted to use
the max amount of space, and also give ourselves the
ability to work on the engine. The fuel filter, sorry. – [Kirk] The oil filter. – The oil filter is actually
right here behind this panel, so having this battery as low as possible made it easy for us to be able
to change the fuel filter. – [Kirk] Oil filter. – To change the oil filter, right here. (laughing) (mellow chime music) (wood saw humming) – I’m super pumped with how this battery
box is coming together, I’m on version three, ’cause I made the first
templates out of cardboard. So what I’m doing is tracing
the contours of the hull, so we get a nice tight fit. Made the second, what I thought was gonna
be the actual battery box out of half inch ply that
I got from Home Depot. (upbeat jazz music) I knew it wasn’t marine grade but I didn’t realize how crappy it was, called all over town here in Mobile, to try and find marine grade hardwood. Finally did. So I’ve got marine grade
three quarter inch plywood. (mellow chime music) (power saw humming) Which is like way over-built for what this things gonna hold, but it’s fitting like a glove. Thousand years from now someone’s gonna find this battery box on the bottom of the ocean, and be like, “Wow, this is well built”. Probably not, but with
a little bit of glass to tab them into the bulk head of the boat it’s gonna stiffen up the boat. (chuckle) I’m gonna laminate the plywood today, coat them all down in epoxy, tabbing in glass tomorrow hopefully, and overnight, tonight I’m
gonna be working on electrical. These guys that are
building our arch are still. We have not had a stern rail on the back of the boat for
the past week and a half. The arch is almost done, but they still have
the whole bimini to do. – Yeah. – I think we’re gonna
be here for two weeks. The arch is not gonna be
exactly what I wanted, I’m not 100% happy. It’s not exactly following
the lines of the boat which was really important to me, it’s the whole reason
we wanted to go custom, but it’s starting to look really nice, and the back rail looks awesome. They did a really nice job replacing the curvature of the stern rail, integrated in with the arch which was really, really cool. That was a huge part that I wanted, it’s just the shape, you know with all the
constraints that we had trying to fit the size
solar panels that we wanted to get enough solar generation, you know just all the stuff
coming together it’s difficult. One of the things that
I decided we would do, when or if we build another arch, is to do it myself with conduit first, to kind of get the lines that I want and take rough measurements, and at least that kind of
gives you a model to work from, and you can see the outlines, you know. There are a few other odds, and ends that we would have done. Oh, we would of gone to the shop where they were fabricating, we sort of relied on one or
two other boats in the yard that had some work done. But as it turns out, they didn’t actually do all the metal work on that boat like they had told us. We’re continuing to
learn over and over again boats and timelines just don’t mix. No matter what you’re trying to do. So, I’m feelin’, I’m feelin’ happy though, we’re hoping to see clear water, clear blue, awesome ocean water soon, and get out of the, the mud here in Mobile. So back to work. (sanding machine humming) (country blues music) We’re making crepes. (country blues music) Alright, so I’ve gotta figure out where to mount all of these things. This isn’t an exact layout, physically but it’s a close approximation. I can do a positive, and negative bus bar in
one piece with this guy. I just pulled this wire, but that wire is going to come in here and then, I need the
wire to go to the battery which is going to go out there. So, I’ve got those two wires, those are big cables so they
need to use the big post. Then we’ve got number 10s coming
in for our solar chargers, which we might have three of, then we’ve got the 120
shore power charger, which is also a number 10. The last one, which is for the DC panel, so those I think will all work. So then on the negative side, we’ve got the cable that’s
coming from the starter engine which is going to come in here, and then going to the shunt
which is going to go out here, then I’ve got the DC
panel which is number 10, the three solar chargers
which are number 10, and then the short power, which is also number 10. So I think I can make this all work. So what I need to figure out, is where are we can mount these things, this is the shunt, inside of this box here. So I wanna give you a
couple of layout options. Option 1 is we separate these, like this, so we’ve got enough room to
run these cables down and out, to have these cables come up and out, whichever way they need to go, and this clears below the seat. Option two is to put this vertically and we would mirror the
house bank batteries with the positive on the right,
and the ground on the left. Option three, is we would
have that be vertical. Where’s my red cable? – [Lauren] Your red cable is… – [Kirk] We lost it. 90% of boat projects is finding the thing you
just had in your hand. – [Lauren] No. Is it in your pocket? – [Kirk] No. Yes. (laughing) ‘kay. Give me the red cable. Reverse of what the battery bank is. The tough part about working
with large gauge battery cables is that the bigger they get,
the tougher it is to bend them, and they’ll also only twist
in certain directions. This one doesn’t really cross, because this one actually
comes up this way, instead of– – [Lauren] Is there enough space there? For two lugs? – I think so. Unless they go like this. Draw one more. Put these constraints together with the limits of
working in a small space, means that taking the
extra step to draw out and test fit everything within the space you’ll be working with can save you from a costly mistake. Cause then what I can do, is I could just bring the
positive right in here. Bring this positive down, which is ALT. All right, I think that
might be what we do. What do you think? – [Lauren] Game plan? – Think so. (low tempo hip hop music) – [Lauren] Our neighbors were
moving their little house boat across the harbor, and ran
into some trouble docking. So Kirk jumped in to help bring this wee
little vessel home safely. – That’s all right. You’re okay. I’m pretty centered. – I wasn’t puttin’ power in it. – Okay. (laughing) – I know that. You’re like Bryce. – Don’t touch my docking! – [Woman] Exactly. (laughs) (mellow techno music) – For now, to just to keep us safe. Oh shoot! The handle fell off. (techno music) – Remember this lovely thing? This was our quick fix to try to get all of our clothes
stored in our hang locker, in the V-berth, so that we could get under way. Well it’s seen better days. That’s all mold from the river trip because we were traveling in close to freezing temperatures, and then trying to keep the boat warm there was condensation forming
on the hull, constantly and this was pressed up against the hull, and got pretty wet. We’ve been actually living
with all of our clothes out of this now, since we got here to Mobile, and they’ve all been kind of stacked on those shelves in the V-berth, but soon as we start sailing again all that stuffs going to come flying off, so we’re working on
putting permanent shelves into the V-berth locker today, and hopefully we’re going
to get all of our clothes stored away again. (brush scrubbing) – [Kirk] You look real happy. – I’m hangry, love. – [Kirk] I am very hangry. (tapping) – And our… Arch fabricators are gonna
show up right at lunch time? – [Kirk] Yeah. – So we’re not going to be
able to eat till dinner. (chuckles) That’s good. (banging) – There. – [Lauren] Oh, nice. – Perfect. (techno jazz music) – [Lauren] We used the
leftover marine plywood to create four shelves, and eight supports, which we painted with
the leftover Bilge paint we had on hand. Turning supplies we otherwise would have continued to haul around, into something useful. (techno jazz music) (power saw humming) – We were now a month into what was quoted as a
two to three week project. We were no closer to being finished since the initial fitting a week prior. It was clear then that some of his
measurements were way off. So he took the Arch back to his shop, and was back for a second
attempt to make it fit. (power saw humming) Things were not going very well. At this point, we were
starting to doubt the entirety of the arch. We weren’t seeing the
quality of work we were sold, and it was starting to feel like an endless cycle of trial and error for every step forward
brought us two steps back. We expressed our concerns about the timeline and workmanship, seeing as he was now
cutting the arch in half, and using a ratchet strap
to line up the legs. He assured us he would make it right. We told him we had two weeks
remaining of our slip parental, and that we needed the a to
be completed and installed with time to do a shake
down sail before we left. We didn’t hear from them for another week. (mellow techno music) It’s three o’clock on the last day before we’re supposed to leave, they’ve been here all day, hammering away at our boat, bending, sawing the Arch, we finally told them
this isn’t gonna work.

100 thoughts on “Why You Should Do Your Own Boat Work | Sailing Soulianis – Ep. 37

  1. All that sucks sorry to hear about such incompetence that’s so terrible. I look forward to watching more awesome videos. You both are so great! Very glad to see you both so happy together, love is such a great thing! I feel the same way about my wonderful wife too. We are both so lucky to have what we have. Great luck to ya both,always!

  2. Glad to finally see another video from you guys. Obviously you guys are keeping quite busy. I know this has to be old though, because you have posted photos on fb of areas of clear blue and not Mobile for quite awhile. Come on! Get it together! Just kidding!
    Always love seeing you work through the projects that come up. I have a suggestion for the shelves. You might want to consider putting a backing wall or a stop of some sort on each shelf so that in the future if you get in a condensation situation your clothes stored there wont be up against the hull. Just a thought.
    I hate what you are going through with the fabricators. You are more patient then me. I would have already fired these guys.
    Anyway, good luck and hope to see more videos soon!

  3. Bleach doesn’t work for mold. Check out moldblogger.com. Home Depot has some great products for mold and they are environmentally friendly. Hope this helps!

  4. Come on with the next video. Based on how folks were dressed, I'm guessing that was videoed like two months back? 🙂

  5. You two are way to nice! Yes, they should have been fired sooner but I know what it's like to have to be the bad guy and do that… It sucks for sure! I'm sorry they put you in that spot. But look on the bright side, you're still living out your dreams that most of us will never be able to do. 😉

  6. You guys have gotta check out "Formula B" from Practical Sailor. It's like pennies to make and works amazing on preventing mold. I use it on the boat and in my giant shower at home.

    https://www.practical-sailor.com/issues/37_35/features/Mildew-Treatments-and-Stain-Removers_11256-1.html

  7. While your building stuff remember you need a good hiding spot for passports, cash, 357, and things like that.

  8. Fabricating something for a boat isn't as easy as it looks because one side is NOT the mirror of the other side and can be inches off in some cases, I know because I've been there with my 18" Seaswirl. That aside, the contractors look as if they didn't have a plan before beginning the project. You need to have a fixed point to reference every dimension too. I'm curious as to whether a laser system for kitchen countertops or landscaping, could have worked. I know one system used in the machine tool industry that would definitely work, but I doubt they have one in Alabama.

  9. When we had people work on our boat we called the time boat jail. We did alot of stuff ourselves after that.

  10. Would have not only fired those con artists, but sued for false / breach of contract – sort of that should make them famous to the BBB, harbor master, marina, and on this site so they don’t screw anyone again

  11. Hi you guys F…….ing butches doing the metalwork,you should have sack them on the second day.Love your work on the new battery boxes.

  12. Oh man, I feel for you. GOOD Stainless fabricators are really rare. Pity that you're not here on SF Bay. We have a wizard. Hang in there.

  13. Well that truly sucked. After getting hosed on stuff like your arch a few times in my 60+ years, I now trust no one. I used to believe I could trust most everyone to do the job correctly until they proved they couldn't. Sadly, that is no longer the case. Now, I know going in that most won't do it right and they won't give two spits about it either. I tend to do a lot of my own projects now. If you want it done they way you want it done you'll have to figure a way to do it yourself. The pain from this situation will give you insight into working with all other contractors in the future. Knowledge is power. Proceed accordingly.

  14. I don't like the videos where you fix things, but I still watch them (sorta) to support your other videos which I do like. My dad had a boat on the Illinois River at the Joliet Yacht Club, and it seemed like all we did was work on it. On a good day it was just a dead battery.

  15. Bummed y'all are having the issues you had with your arch, sadly the marine industry has plenty of charlatans and sheisty dealers but having worked in the industry for a few years in Fort Lauderdale I can promise you there is a great deal more honest to goodness craftsmen and professionals out there than there are the former. Glad y'all finally decided to put the kibosh on the whole affair and sad that they wasted your time.
    That said y'all are so much closer to your blue-water goals and further along than a great many of us who have to make due watching others live out our dreams for the time being. Keep up the positivity and always keep things in perspective y'all! You guys are awesome and have the right attitude to go far. Love your videos and quickly becoming one of my favorite sailing channels bar none! Keep up the awesome work/vids
    Fair Weather and following seas you two!
    Saludos from Ft. Worth TX.

  16. Please out them ! I've been a boater for 30 years, hack's like this have to be chased out ! I also blame Marina owners and manager's for letting known butcher's in ! The look on your faces sickens me…. 😟

  17. I hope you didn't pay them anything for their poor workmanship. But still being polite but firm with them.

  18. Hey You Two….another Great video….I'm loving the instructional aspects of what you do….I'm quite convinced that your decision to part ways with the "arch guys" is a sound one….heavens to Betsy!!! your collective patience is admirable but these guys clearly don't know what they're doing…….BTW….had the same thing happen when fitting new batteries……..they didn't fit by like 5 millimetres or a quarter of an inch in American…..geez….you gotta love boats Huh?……Nevertheless…..keep steaming ahead…..Soulianis is beautiful and will be a formidable cruiser when you're finally done…..best wishes from Australia mates

  19. Great video you two… The university of life has taught you something great. you will be wiser for the experience. That's a positive. Focus on the positive. positive is good. The adventure continues… Can't wait for the next one.

  20. Too Bad. Good Craftsmanship is Hard to Find. I like your idea about making a somewhat template out of pvc to get a good idea on the shape & final size. Small adjustments can always be made. When I seen him cutting the finished product in half I said yep, he’s going to fire this Clown. All the time and probably money it cost and you have nothing. Good Luck. PS, Don’t give any contractor more than 1/3rd deposit, if he asks for more don’t hire him. ⛵️⛵️ Vinny 🇺🇸

  21. Find the battery box on the bottom of the ocean? Spoiler alert!! Gee hope that’s not how your story ends lol

  22. Hell mine was 3 days in s/s ame as you’res Cost $600 I fitted the solar panels , interesting t see how the battery’s last a tip is to drill holes n the sides of the battery box to vent those battery’s as they need them We have the same and they do get warm in our climate and in two years they have lost capacity as the fine print says ,and you will need a regular in the input line , we de regulate the alternator wich helped to fill them Quick wich is a 100 amp and change the pullys to flat belts , gives the alternator better grip under load from slipping, doing your electrics , does you insurance company know your doing Most marinas want an electrical cert good luck

  23. I highly recommend using Scotchkote by 3M on all your electric connections. This product will seal wires and connectors to help prevent sea water damage.

  24. I would have never thought of physically modelling the electrical, such a great idea. Thank you. It really sucks about the arch. It is the worst when you splurge to get someone to help you do work and it ends up like this 🙁

  25. Keep in mind, if you are ever in those conditions again, cold outside while keeping it warm inside creating condensation, your clothes will be what molds on the shelves instead of the hangup bag. Maybe some type of preventive barrier now moves up on the project list?

  26. I brought a boat to a yard for repairs last November; It's now June and so far they have done NOTHING. On the other side, I've finished many small projects on my own had have learned a lot about the boat. Learning is progress, success is around the corner.

  27. If it is "real" marine plywood (BS1088) it is actually stronger than regular plywood because it has more plies for the same thickness and it has no internal voids. This means that you can use thinner plywood for the same job.

  28. Good things grow slow.. 😉
    But yes ..a plan is needed to attack a innovation.
    I have had the same experience with “wannabe stainless steel Pro’s” .
    My advice is do not relay on their story they need that job and so say everything you like to hear.
    Ask for references and for sure talk to other customers first.

    Also check the shop and see how they work/ communicate to each other.

  29. You guys this is such a bummer😖 I'm sending all the love and uplifting thoughts to help keep balance. Thank you for sharing with us. Looking forward to clear waters and lots of smiles.

  30. Arghhh…. as a boat owner , I understand the "pain"- You two are tough and I appreciate your sharing the adventure with us.
    ROCKIN channel- keep keeping it real. Remember, There are 45K (soon to be 100k+) people rooting for you. Cheers from Steve and Tracy, TN

  31. Watching this from Cardiff by the sea starbucks. Del mar dog beach up next! Get down to San Salvador Bahamas…..amazing!! Timmy C the forever bachelor.

  32. Discovered you guys on Instagram and this is the first long-form video I've seen. I'm heartbroken for you on the arch frustration (been there myself once) but the silver lining for me with this video is just how impressed I am with you both, Lauren and Kirk. You are creating interesting, informative and entertaining content. Very curious to know how those new batteries perform once you get the solar panels, etc., all integrated and tested. Fair winds and following seas!

  33. Wow, you pulled the plug on the arch guy! So you just left? Did you pay him anything at all? I assume that you're going to get one from further south in a future video? Anxious to see how the future better one comes out.

  34. I have a friend here in Florida said Mobile was the cheapest best yard he has ever done work at. Florida only has like 2 yards that will let you do your own work .

  35. Are you building your arch using stainless steel or bright dip aluminum. It's hard to tell from the video, but I thought you commented the fabricator brought two bent aluminum pieces.

  36. Save your fellow boaters from the ARCH enemy …they would have had to charge $10k for that level of incompetence trip after trip and sawing it in half must make your stomach turn …wow I would have had a mental break down and been arrested

  37. No joke… "Next time" you need an arch built, come out to Las Vegas for a "Vacation" and stay downtown at the El Cortez Vintage suites during the week for like 23 bucks a night or the Golden Nugget, and spend a day and a half with me and by the time you go back home you will know how to bend AL tubing, and be able to weld it like a champ. Probably close to or at the same level as these "Fabricators". It's simple if you know the process. Just a few basic theories of welding and bending with a little practice and you are golden. P.S. I'm commenting at 7:15 so not sure how it all works out in the end…

  38. Curious about the shelving… I understand the mold on the hanging shelves and how it happened… But, how have you protected yourself against your clothes sitting in that closet up against the side of the boat doing the same thing next time it gets cold? Sure – don't ever go into cold environments again. This is my favorite channel – keep it coming!

  39. I know your videos are behind. But you should of came to Destin much better boat facilities here! I hope you get it all worked out.

  40. Sorry about the contractor problems. You probably researched this (knowing how thorough you are). I've always thought this company's products looked good:

    https://www.atlantictowers.com/products_sail_arch.php

  41. Hi guys I really feel for you getting saddled with a bunch of amateurs like this company appears to be. I have made an arch and Bimini for my yacht. I mocked up the whole thing with buteline which is a pvc pipe with a thin alloy sleeve used for plumbing systems. Buteline is great because you can bend it to shape with your bare hands and it stays there. I can’t believe these guys did not mock it up first, it’s the only way you can get all the angles to work out right. One other thing, personally I would only use stainless steel. 1” diameter is perfectly sufficient for stiffness and rigidity and the weight would be no more than the 1-1/2”? alloy pipe you were using but the main reason I would use stainless is that it stays clean and shiny unlike raw aluminium which will become corroded over time. Anyway some would say these things are sent to try us, personally I don’t believe that at all, and you will be able to forget all about it when your sails are set and your course is south. Love you guys and your videos are excellent.

  42. Really liked the planning out of the electrical wiring, I'm a mechanic, it's nice to see people thinking like one… not every person is cut out for it… can't wait for more videos

  43. Good old 90% rubbing alcohol kills mold and mildew without the possible damaging effects of bleach…….. so ya know!

  44. For your consideration:
    Contact Jeff Cote at Pacific Yacht Systems.
    I believe they can do a REVIEW of your intended wiring and give you a HEADS UP of problems.
    PYS produced over 100 videos on YT. They have worked on 1000's of vessels!!!!!
    Be sure to mention the SAILING SOLANIS YouTube channel with 44K subscribers.
    Also…give PYS a good 'nod' and perhaps a LINK when things go well with them.
    Money WILL BE WELL SPENT with PYS. www.pacificyachtsystems.ca
    Contact details on website.
    No regrets…like Arch, etc.

  45. Sorry to hear that the ARCH/BIMINI fabricator didn't work out.
    Sailing is frustrating enough…with…you know…all the NORMAL problems.
    What is PLAN B.
    Hope you got every PENNY back from them.

  46. Unfortunately you get stuck between a piece of stainless and a hard spot. It's hard to determine when to put the brakes on a project like that .You keep praying these guys are gonna make it right and that doesn't happen. Great work on the batteries and wiring .
    Hope there is a somewhat ok ending

  47. First of your videos that I have watched. Hiring a contractor can be tough, but always stick to your gut on good or bad and make them earn their money. Best of luck and waiting patiently for your next video, but in the mean time, will start from the beginning!

  48. The lesson of the day… higher a dude that used to create Block BUSTING sound systems in the trunks of cars back in the 90's… he'll have far better instructions, details, calculations and real world experience… while on crack… or meth when dealing with different gauge wiring and wiring blocks… because teenagers in the hood mastered this crap at 10 years old. I love you guys but being a Tech Engineer, that was painful.

  49. Good lesson learned on contractors. If they cannot follow through with even the simple deadlines they set for themselves, then it’s time to move on.

  50. Please talk to a yacht broker in areas you are going to be. They will know local Shipyards who can do work for you. Or talk to me and I’ll put you on the right course. I know all the good guys.

  51. Sailing Britaly did a video on how to put one of these together yourself with parts from Amazon.

  52. Underneath the battery box is a fairly good hiding spot for something small'ish and valuable… just saying.

  53. Been diggin your vids since the beginning. You guys really maintained patience and composure dealing with the metal fabricators. If you guys head up Chesapeake Bay before we head out check in with us, we’re in a hip spot on the bay. Peace

  54. The older we get, the sooner we heed "problem red flags." We're so old now, we're down to one "red flag" and we are backing up and running the other direction. We would have saved a lot of money, time, and frustration if we had started listening to "red flag" warnings when we were young.

  55. I am cleaning mildew in my boats and got info from a mold and mildew professional that bleach will not kill mold or mildew. Bleach will only bleach it. Peroxide was what he recommends. Hope that info helps you out as much as it did me.

  56. So hear ya. There are sooooooooo many guys out there who claim to be the best at what they do on boats… 75% seem to be grifters with very little talent and even less integrity! Good for you to abandon ship on that one. They would have ridden you out another month if you had let them. Sad for you. So frustrating!

  57. wow I feel so bad for you guys. well we have all done that in life and Learnt from it. Good luck you will get it sorted and it will be exactly what you want and better.

  58. What did you use for software to diagram out your electrical? I saw your finished product was in PDF but not sure what you used prior to that.

  59. lol that job is a piece of piss, get someone to draw it on cad first. Seriously, 2 days at absolute max

  60. sorry for the rant, i got carried away.
    As a welder and fabricator I feel for those poor bastards. I personally wouldn't want to do a job like that because of all the different angles. IMO the only way to do it right the first time is to have a complete template of the boats stern of where its going to mount mocked up out of wood or cardboard with the angle of the deck and transom noted, have a template you could copy like you said out of pvc or something, or do all cutting and tac welding at the boat making it a complete structure then bring it back to the shop to finish welding, polishing etc… With that said there are some guys who could take measurements down and crush it first try. However, the amount of work they did in 3 weeks is not 3 weeks worth of work. More like 2-3 days tops. People that bend tubing on a regular basis would have those big hoops bent in 20 minutes, The horizontal pieces connecting the hoops would take say an hour cutting all the fish mouths with a proper jig and the back rails an 1 hour. Welding can be slow or fast, depending on the fitment and how fast the welder is, a person that tig welds all day everyday can knock that out in an 1-2 hours, Slow welder 4-6 hours. Now any of those times could take 3-4 times longer depending on mess ups and whether they have the right tools and jigs or are people who are just slow working.

    I think I heard you say that was aluminum (nicely polished by the way, but way to soon to polish unfinished work), usually cutting and re-welding isn't a big deal, typical aluminum used in marine industry is a 5000 series which is non heat treated aluminum therefore you technically don't loose any strength when welded, 5052 aluminum only looses like 6 ksi (33ksi down to 27). Now some t-tops are also constructed from 6061 t6 (T6 stands for pretty much heat treated, makes it stiffer and stronger) while 6061t6 comes in at 45 ksi but when welded goes down to 27 ksi. 6061 t6 is the most widely used aluminum in structures…Welcome to an engineers nightmare as those are only a few metals. 5052 series aluminum has better corrosion resistance over 6061. Now lets talk aluminum, while aluminum is 30 percent lighter per volume than steel often thicker wall thickness or larger diameter tubing is needed to be as strong as a steel structure. In the end an aluminum structure really only nets 10-15% lighter overall build. Aluminum is not fond of flexing, any flexing over time and it will crack at the welds while steel for the most part doesn't give a shit. IMO if you do this over again I would go with stainless steel. Good Stainless will look shiny and last forever.

  61. I always "like" on spec…and you never disappoint! Had to come back to edit this comment because I wrongly assumed that everything would turn out okay with the arch. Still, you didn't disappoint but those fabricators sure did! Grrrr…

  62. It's me again – Miriam! and it's your Birthday, Rob – well, as Noel Coward once said, " Doughnuts!" Once again a very informative and great video – you should have been become a BBC commentator, Jo, so clear and professional. See you both next time. Lots of love. xxxx

  63. live and learn my friend. you are lucky to have such a good listener on the boat. the old saying is true here, you get what you pay for, i hope you recieved some compensation for all the fustration. yeah, you waited far to long, but it makes good video!

  64. I use deck tread squares on floors and bulkhead walls to keep some air and water movement = less mildew.
    I have exactly the same types of experiences with people working on my boat (79 O’Day) that I’ve been rebuilding for four years now. I have accepted shoddy work when I didn’t want to because they pushed me back and back so far that I had to go with it. I have also refused to pay for shoddy work and this is something I HATE to do to a worker that is doing their best but… There is probably legal action taken against me for one instance but I complained early, asked for and gave plenty of time and consideration for corrective action but when none was taken I just left… with the crappy paint job and what was left of my money.
    Another mistake I’ve made is paying for the work before it was done leading to even less enthusiasm towards our timeline. Although I get some of your venders behavior, trying to get and keep new customers, cruisers however go away… so their precedence is not as high as local repeat customers… enter YT, venders beware.

  65. What I do not understand – you have a sail boat. Why did you not get out of the lakes and do the journey south on the east coast of the US by sail?

  66. you missed the point on the 80% discharge.. they can be discharged much lower, however if you only discharge to 80% you will do zero damage to the battery, in theory if you only ever discharged the battery to 80% they would last indefinitely.

  67. Sorry the SS work went so wrong for you two ,One would hope that the Next Person you get to do the Job Will be a lot more Professional and get it done for you, One thing i would say to you is Look at a Car Jumper starter as a back up power supply it can all so help in portable power around the Boat as well as a back up Battery for the Boat ,just a idea that's all. Hang in there Guys looking good 🙂

  68. Kirk, yer gonna cause a world-wide shortage of cardboard!

    Lauren, painting those shelves with bottom-paint means you'll still be hauling it all over the world.
    <chuckle>

    SO sad about the disastrous arch replacement project. Feel bad for the crew, but they clearly were unable to learn and make corrections as the job progressed.

  69. Can't believe that your 'as-if ' fabricators didn't make a template out of 1×2 strapping and 1" flexible plastic pipe… WxLxH… And a tape measure in The Photos. Especially after their 2nd trip back to realize how far out they were. So simple to at least get a trace on your deck. Just Flakes making expensive mistakes with expensive materials.

  70. You can use "lumber yard" grade plywood (typically ACX, one good side, on not so good and exterior glue) IF you apply a 2 or 3 coats of epoxy or at least oil based exterior paint. Fill the voids in the edges and on the back side with thickened epoxy. This is mainly for looks. If you are going to spend the money on marine plywood, you can typically go DOWN one size. Instead of 1/2", you could have used 3/8" (9 or 10mm).

  71. OMG this makes me soo pissed. This is so typical, I cannot begin to tell you how many times we have run into someone like this. You have been too nice to him.

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